At a market in Mopti, international merchant
Oumar Cisse explains modern-day "slavery"
between the Tuareg and Bella peoples in Mali.
[Video Transcript]
MEN WITH SLABS OF SALT.
GATES (V.O.): These great slabs of salt are mined deep
in the Sahara Desert,
GATES: So he's from near Timbuktu?
OUMAR: (MALIAN) MAN: Timbuktu.
OUMAR: Timbuktu.
GATES: But how come, Oumar, how come he looks different
from him? They're
OUMAR: No, this is like … things like that.
GATES: Is he a slave?
OUMAR: Yeah.
GATES: A slave? Ah, I see. So this man owns him?
OUMAR: Yeah. Like that.
GATES: So he's born into slavery?
OUMAR: Exactly. He's two or three … father to son, to
big father.
GATES: It's not illegal?
OUMAR: It's traditional.
GATES: Traditional?
OUMAR: Yeah, it's traditional.
GATES: Mm. Well, my great great grandfather was a slave.
OUMAR: Yeah, man, now you are an American, now is
finished for that. Now for
GATES: You have to ask …
OUMAR: … he have to say do that and don't do that, and
things like that.
GATES: So does he pay him or …
OUMAR: Yeah, he's paying him too.
GATES: He pays him too. But this man, if he wanted to
quit and work on then river he couldn't do that, unless he said yes?
OUMAR: Sometime he can say yes, sometime he can say no.
GATES: Hm-mm. And the Bella people, no rebellion, they
never wanna fight the
OUMAR: No, no.
GATES: No.
OUMAR: He like that.
GATES: They like it?
OUMAR: Yeah, for …
GATES: Yeah, they used to say that about Black American slaves. (LAUGHS)